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Meeting opened by akgraner at 12:00

• <akgraner> [TOPIC] - Attendance - Ok folks, who's here for the Ubuntu Women Project Meeting today?

- Attendance - Ok folks, who's here for the Ubuntu Women Project Meeting today?

• svaksha waves

• pleia2 waves

  <akgraner> awesome

  <akgraner> here is the agenda

  <akgraner> [TOPIC] - Agenda - The agenda for today's meeting can be found at - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/April2010/Agenda

- Agenda - The agenda for today's meeting can be found at - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/April2010/Agenda

• <akgraner> hopefully a few other people will join in as we go through the agenda

• svaksha suggests moving the 1200 UTC meets to saturday or sunday

  <akgraner> so today is the 1st meeting are trying the rotating meeting time

  <svaksha> for EU folks its work time

  <akgraner> I can't do the weekends I have other commitments

  <pleia2> it's 5AM here

  <akgraner> that's why on the 4th Thurs we are doing 2200UTC

  <svaksha> heh, the TZ thing is tough

  <IdleOne> it is 8 am here on my day off :/

  <IdleOne> good morning

  <akgraner> good morning

  <svaksha> good evening

  <IdleOne> yes and good evening to those in different TZ

  <akgraner> we may have to adjust the 2nd Thursday time and see what is better but at least we are now trying the rotating meeting times

  <akgraner> ok so at the last meeting we looked at the goals for the -M cycle

  <akgraner> I still have to finish the blueprints but we have 3 items to start

  <akgraner> [IDEA] - Blog / Website revamp

• <pleia2> I think the consensus on list was that we go to canonical first for a drupal site

  <akgraner> [IDEA] - Mentoring Program

• <akgraner> pleia2, that is how I understood it

  <IdleOne> I also think that going to Canonical first for hosting would be the best

  <pleia2> mentoring is a go

  <akgraner> and logo

  <akgraner> [IDEA] logo was the 3rd item

• <pleia2> which is probably just a typeface update, but more discussion I guess?

  <akgraner> It is my understanding that we only want the font changed

  <pleia2> anyone know when we'll have the new font?

  <akgraner> I thought it was supposed to be by the 29th but I could be confusing it with something else

  <svaksha> +1 on the drupal and using the UW LP logo with font changes

  <pleia2> since the logo is turning out to be small, maybe tossing the ongoing translations things on the blueprint is worthwhile?

  <akgraner> great we have a plan

• svaksha wonders if it will be possible to get ubuntu in orange and women in purple colored fonts in the logo?

  <akgraner> pleia2, that is a great idea

  <akgraner> sure we can try it

  <IdleOne> I would say that the translation project is going to be a long term project. There is always going to be something to add/translate to the wiki pages

  <pleia2> IdleOne: sure, but we can set a few goals

  <IdleOne> yup

  <pleia2> like fine-tune the process, have x languages done

  <IdleOne> absolutely

• Mamarok waves

  <pleia2> hey Mamarok

  <IdleOne> hello Mamarok

  <akgraner> the goals as I see it is standardizing the program - fixing links etc

  <svaksha> Mamarok:

  <akgraner> Mamarok, hey!

  <Mamarok> hi all

  <IdleOne> akgraner: agreed

  <akgraner> pleia2, since you suggested the translation project be added to the blueprints - does anyone object to discussion that now

  <svaksha> no

  <Mamarok> no

  <akgraner> and then I can circle back to World Play Day

  <akgraner> great! thanks

  <akgraner> So I am going to post all the topics for translations

  <akgraner> [TOPIC] Wiki Translations (1200UTC) -- lyz 2010-04-07 22:32:40

Wiki Translations (1200UTC) -- lyz 2010-04-07 22:32:40

• <akgraner> [TOPIC] AllPages

AllPages

• <akgraner> [TOPIC] WeShouldFix

WeShouldFix

• <akgraner> [TOPIC] PagesNeedingTranslated

PagesNeedingTranslated

• <svaksha> akgraner: it will also be worthwhile to identify a few guardians for the page as per the language, for MIA situations

  <akgraner> [TOPIC] Translators

Translators

• <akgraner> [TOPIC] HowToTranslateWiki

HowToTranslateWiki

• <akgraner> [TOPIC] Comments from dpm -- akgraner 2010-04-07 22:40:30

Comments from dpm -- akgraner 2010-04-07 22:40:30

• <akgraner> svaksha, yep those are the things we need to iron out

  <pleia2> probably want to do one at a time

  <akgraner> yep I just want to get them in the channel

  <akgraner> I accidentally just the window

  <pleia2> well, if you do [TOPIC] then discuss it, mootbot puts a nice placeholder in the logs

  <akgraner>

  <akgraner> [TOPIC] Wiki Translations (1200UTC) -- lyz 2010-04-07 22:32:40

Wiki Translations (1200UTC) -- lyz 2010-04-07 22:32:40

• <pleia2> anyway, I put this on the agenda because it came upon us pretty abruptly last week

  <pleia2> and it was quickly apparent that it's quite a project

  <akgraner> tell me when you want each point pleia2 and I will post them

  <pleia2> sounds good

  <pleia2> plus the enthusiasm on the list was great, and it's a good initiative

  <pleia2> akgraner: next!

• svaksha agrees

  <akgraner> [TOPIC] AllPages

AllPages

• <pleia2> so this is a page that akgraner put together

  <akgraner> [LINK] - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/AllPages

• <pleia2> she's maintaining keeping it up to date with all the pages, so no worries there for now (I had maintainability concerns)

  <pleia2> I added the little icons

  <pleia2> it's mostly so we can get a visualization of where we stand as a whole

  <IdleOne> I just wanted to report that the UW Frech pages are coming along nicely. I have been keeping an eye on them and we have 5 pages complete with 4-5 people who have been working on them doing translation and typo fixing also.

  <pleia2> then we can drill down in to the vital parts fo r translations

  <pleia2> IdleOne: great!

  <akgraner> IdleOne, thanks that is great!

  <pleia2> maybe in the Translations table we can do svaksha's idea of having a "guardian" for each lang to do what IdleOne is doing for Fr?

  <akgraner> I like that idea

  <IdleOne> pleia2: yes I think that is a good idea also

  <svaksha> s/guardian/maintainer sounds better?

  <akgraner> [IDEA] - Point of contact for each langauge

• <pleia2> but back to AllPages, you can see we have a lot of pages we need to discuss whether they are translation-worthy

  <pleia2> this is mostly because "I don't know"

  <pleia2> I == me

  <pleia2> not sure how to tackle this, but we should at some point, maybe bring a few topics to a meeting to discuss, or toss a few on the list every couple of weeks

  <pleia2> any comments, or shall we move on to WeShouldFix ?

  <akgraner> [IDEA] - add translation page topics agenda

• <akgraner> [TOPIC] WeShouldFix

WeShouldFix

• <pleia2> so elky made this page when she did all the work on the wiki

  <akgraner> [LINK] - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/WeShouldFix

• <elky> ooh, meeting

  <pleia2> it's nice to see what you really-should-not-translate right now

  <pleia2> but I'm not entirely sure of it's place at the moment since we're also maintaining "PagesNeedingTranslated"

  <akgraner> hey elky!

  <pleia2> as I see it we should keep both for now and see how things evolve

  <IdleOne> pleia2: one central page would be easier to keep track of

  <elky> i've been in another window, didn't notice the time. sorry all.

  <pleia2> IdleOne: yeah, but I'm not sure which will ultimately be the more useful and maintainable

  <elky> IdleOne, "once central page" could easily become a monolith if you include the translation statuses

  <akgraner> I think the WeShouldFIx is for pages other than translations as well yes?

  <pleia2> yeah

  <IdleOne> pleia2: that is also a reason why we need Maintainers for the project

  <elky> link the translation stuff /from/ the "one central page"

  <IdleOne> akgraner: yes

  <akgraner> so we can pull translations off the fix page and link the translation table to the fix page if that sorta brings them together

• pleia2 nods

  <akgraner> hehe elky didn't see your comment

  <elky> akgraner, great minds, hon

  <akgraner> yeppers

  <pleia2> I don't translate so I don't know what the best workflow will be, so we'll be depending upon the translators here

  <pleia2> but I think for now having both hanging out there is ok

  <pleia2> so, PagesNeedingTranslated

  <akgraner> [TOPIC] PagesNeedingTranslated

PagesNeedingTranslated

• <elky> (the translators who we appreciate very very very very very much! -- thanks again!)

  <akgraner> [LINK] - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/PagesNeedingTranslated

• <pleia2> another visual representation of status

  <IdleOne> Well this is what I think. We leave the pages as they are now and continue translating until we figure out what the best way of maintaining is

  <pleia2> akgraner: do we have someone in charge of updating this page?

  <pleia2> I see this as something that will evolve too

  <akgraner> each translator is doing a great job for adding stuff

  <pleia2> great

  <akgraner> but - on sundays when I verify the all pages stuff

• pleia2 nods

  <akgraner> I also verify what columns need shading if any

  <akgraner> but if someone wants to take ownership of all that

  <pleia2> fwiw, ChallengingSexism is one of my "lets talk about" pages since it links to all english articles

  <akgraner> please let me know

  <elky> pleia2, there's nothing stopping us linking to a google translate page for those articles, you know

  <IdleOne> ilke+1

  <IdleOne> elky+1 :/

  <pleia2> elky: yep, same is true for our other links pages (Links and WomenAchievers)

  <akgraner> [IDEA] - Maintainer for PagesNeedingTranslated and AllPages

• <IdleOne> haha typing fail there

  <elky> brb, zapping food or dinner is going to end up being a bag of jubes :-/

  <akgraner> [IDEA] use google translate to translate articles

• <pleia2> plus we need to simply go through ChallengingSexism, Links and WomenAchievers to see what's what, I think there is some overlap

• svaksha thinks tha page is very useful

  <svaksha> that *

  <svaksha> translations would be even better

  <akgraner> [IDEA] - cleaning up ChallengingSexism, Links and WomenAchievers prior to translating

• <pleia2> anyway - another comment on PagesNeedingTranslated I marked "Ideas" on AllPages as "Translate page idea, not content"

  <pleia2> not sure how to communicate this on that table

  <elky> back

  <akgraner> the pages to hold off on are marked in read for don't translate (yet)

  <akgraner> red

  <akgraner> dang typing fail!

  <pleia2> but some pages like this are scratchboards for people, not really translateable content, and may be useful as pages that people of different languges can use

  <pleia2> so if you're in france and have an idea, toss it on Fr/Ideas

  <elky> I think one area we need to focus translations on is the resources too

  <pleia2> elky: good idea

  <akgraner> [IDEA] identify how to show what topics vs pages need translating

• <pleia2> I think that's all I had for PagesNeedingTranslated, we'll update it from AllPages as we discuss what else we want to see translated

  <pleia2> thanks for your work on that akgraner!

  <akgraner> [IDEA] - add resources to the translation table - by resource

• <akgraner> pleia2, wikis and I are friends *now*

  <akgraner> ready for the next item pleia2?

  <elky> We should also consider asking for some language-specific MLs for the teams working on these pages

  <pleia2> akgraner: yeah

  <akgraner> [IDEA] work out localization resources

• <pleia2> I think a language specific mailing list may be a little overkill tbh

  <akgraner> (not to be confused with LoCo teams)

  <akgraner> [TOPIC] Translators

Translators

• <Mamarok> pleia2: JFYI, French is not only spoken in France

  <pleia2> Mamarok: I know, it was an example

  <Mamarok> OK

  <pleia2> IdleOne is in canada

  <pleia2> and issyl0 is in the uk!

  <IdleOne> Canada*

  <IdleOne> :P

  <pleia2> both are french translators

  <elky> Canuckistan*

  <IdleOne> hehe

  <pleia2> so, Translators

  <pleia2> I think the page is pretty decent

  <IdleOne> Canuckistanians are nice peoples

  <pleia2> if a team does decide to have a mailing list, I think the link would go here

  <akgraner> [LINK] - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Translators

• <pleia2> or they can just keep in contact via direct emails

  <akgraner> also who the point of contacts would go on here as well I would thinkg

  <akgraner> think

  <pleia2> yeah

  <elky> I'm also thinking about the teams leading the translation being able to seed language-specific UW groups

  <IdleOne> pleia2: I agree that for now language specific ml's is a bit much

  <akgraner> I can set you the same list of languages for this page then columns for stuff based on the resources for each language

  <pleia2> elky: yeah, for http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Languages (which I forgot to add to the agenda)

  <svaksha> isnt that the loco's responsibility <-- language specific

  <akgraner> so language - name - IRC name - email - mailing list when/if - forum when/if etc

  <pleia2> svaksha: we can certainly ask the locos to help

  <svaksha> ofcourse you will have different versions of spanish, french, etc

  <pleia2> akgraner: instead of discussing HowToTranslateWiki directly, want to just talk about your discussion with dpm?

  <akgraner> sure

  <pleia2> (or both at once

  <akgraner> let me drop the link in

  <akgraner> [TOPIC] HowToTranslateWiki

HowToTranslateWiki

• <elky> svaksha, not really. I see it as a partnership between UW and the LoCo "sections"

  <IdleOne> svaksha: the differences for me at least in French is when it is spoken. written French is/should be constant when properly done

  <akgraner> [LINK] http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/HowToTranslateWiki

• <pleia2> this is an old page that clytie created back when she was involved in 2006

  <akgraner> [TOPIC] Comments from dpm

Comments from dpm

• <pleia2> tons of great content, but we weren't sure how up to date it was

  <pleia2> so akgraner took it translations guru dpm

  <akgraner> so I talked to dpm

  <akgraner> and he took a look at it - and said that other than the broken links there were very minor changes

  <elky> yay

  <elky> less work is good!

  <akgraner> dpm said it's minor but the abbreviations for the languages should be for example /fr/ instead of /Fr/

  <akgraner> he said minor but that would keep it consistent throughout the Ubuntu Project

  <pleia2> akgraner: do you know if there is a page like this on wiki.ubuntu.com ?

  <akgraner> I have to get that I asked for one but he didn't give me a link

  <pleia2> if we're just duplicating data here, it's not great and we want to reference standard translation processes where possible

  <IdleOne> akgraner: from what I read, wiki standards use /Fr

  <akgraner> I'll find one though

  <IdleOne> I could be wrong though

  <pleia2> thanks

  <elky> IdleOne, wiki standards or Ubuntu Wiki standards?

  <akgraner> he also said that instead of saying - shoudl join translation team

  <elky> (not necessarily the same :()

  <IdleOne> elky: ubuntu wiki standards

  <svaksha> elky: agreed, but you will find some opposition to having a team of women in locos , even if it includes men. this is if you are suggesting having a team , that is

  <akgraner> no not wiki standards

  <akgraner> Ubuntu translation team standards

  <svaksha> IdleOne: absolutely, that is true for almost all languages

  <akgraner> but I will get examples and clarification

  <pleia2> thanks akgraner

  <akgraner> say encouraged to visit, talk to , etc the translation team

  <akgraner> he said not to make is sound like something they had to do to help

  <pleia2> good idea

  <akgraner> all super easy corrections

• pleia2 nods

  <svaksha> pleia2: yes, asking loco teams for generic help works well

  <pleia2> akgraner: you want to take care of the cleanup for now, or should I?

  <pleia2> I can work on it later today

  <akgraner> he also said that we have taken the translation process one step farther with the table and the color coding and he loved it

  <elky> svaksha, we english-speaking folks have here. the scared french-only folks or german-only folks are already largely excluded by the lingua franca of the project. I'd like for them to find a place of inclusiveness just like we've had the privilege of doing. If the loco isn't decent enough to do it, I don't see why we should stay on that level.

  <akgraner> pleia2, if you can that would be great!

  <pleia2> ok, action me at that

  <Mamarok> IdleOne: Fr would only make sense if this was an actual page, else it should be fr

  <akgraner> [ACTION] - pleia2 to clean up wiki translation pages per dpm's suggestions

• <svaksha> elky: i understand that and largely agree with what you are saying. However if you peek into any loco you will find very few women there. I cant generalise for all locos and this comment is from and .IN perspective

  <akgraner> he also said the /fr/ if you click on that should go somewhere

  <svaksha> *an

  <pleia2> actually locos is where I tend to see a high percentage of women internationally

  <akgraner> right now most are -project.org/language/page

  <pleia2> *more so* than in other teams

  <svaksha> pleia2: some locos , not all

  <akgraner> and the language part doesn't go anywhere

  <elky> svaksha, .in struggles enough running a loco at all, so I'm not surprised

  <svaksha> hehe

  <pleia2> even have czajkowski on the loco council these days

  <elky> but im pretty sure there'd be an .es market, for example

  <svaksha> yes

  <svaksha> even .br

  <svaksha> .ar

  <akgraner> ok so we are down to 8 mins

  <IdleOne> .br should be under .pt

  <akgraner> and we need to touch on World Play Day as we would like to get this announced

  <elky> .es as in the language

  <pleia2> we can continue translation talk on list or after the meeting

  <akgraner> so any objection to moving on?

  <svaksha> IdleOne: dont suggest that to the team, you'd never get away with it

  <IdleOne> svaksha: haha I know

  <elky> pleia2, agreed

  <elky> akgraner, metoo

  <akgraner> [TOPIC] - World Play Day announcement / photo waiver - what CC licence do we want on waiver?

- World Play Day announcement / photo waiver - what CC licence do we want on waiver?

• <svaksha> IdleOne: ah..sorry, i misunderstood

  <pleia2> I liked Matt's idea on list to simplify things

  <akgraner> so the big question is - what license to we want

  <pleia2> we want restricted license for the world, less restrictive for us

  <pleia2> legally still a grey area, but we do our best

• svaksha will stay silent during legalese discussions

  <IdleOne> svaksha: what I meant was that they both speak portuguese (sic) but there are some major differences in culture

  <svaksha> IdleOne: yes, major

  <elky> pleia2, aiui, CC is still a grey area anyway in a lot of places

  <akgraner> If we can pick a license then I can get a revamped waiver completed

  <pleia2> elky: yep

  <akgraner> I was going to use the UDS waiver

  <akgraner> and through in a minor clause

  <akgraner> throw in I mean

  <pleia2> cc by-nc-nd is probably appropriate for the world

  <akgraner> it both simplifies

  <IdleOne> akgraner: as long as we don't use the same licence facebook uses I did not realize I now do not own my own pictures posted on that site

  <akgraner> and should cover the bases as Canonical as used it for a while now

  <akgraner> has not as

  <elky> IdleOne, you do still own them in so much as to equal rights as they do.

  <elky> IdleOne, and i'd doubt that they can lay claim to your likeness in every country anyway

  <akgraner> [TOPIC] - cc-by-nc-nd any objections to using that for the waiver?

- cc-by-nc-nd any objections to using that for the waiver?

• <IdleOne> elky: yeah, for some reason that doesn't make me happy about it

  <czajkowski> is CC recognised world wide?

  <elky> IdleOne, yeah. OT anyway

  <IdleOne> yup

  <akgraner> pleia2, do you have the link to that license handy?

  <pleia2> czajkowski: not positive, but I think it's the best we can do

  <elky> czajkowski, depends on your definition of 'recognised'.

  <pleia2> akgraner: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/

  <akgraner> [LINK] - http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/

• <elky> there are jurisdictions in the world where it has not been challenged in a court of law. until it does its job under those circumstnaces, it's not really legally recognised

  <czajkowski> pleia2: aye see over here it's not

  <Mamarok> czajkowski: which doesn't make it invalid

  <czajkowski> Mamarok: I just asked

  <elky> not recognised != invalid

  <Mamarok> the GPL has not been chalenged in many other countries than the US and Germany neither

  <akgraner> ok so was there any changes to the announcement?

  <pleia2> akgraner: I just say integrate matt's suggetions to make it simpler

  <elky> akgraner, etali iirc wanted us to specify specific formats

  <akgraner> elky, yep I saw that one

  <elky> she's right. .tiff is a "standard format"

  <akgraner> pleia2, modifying the UDS one should simply it

  <pleia2> akgraner: ok great

  <elky> and im not sure I want to be messing around with a dozen five-gig pictures

  <akgraner> hehe nah we don't want you doing that either

  <Pendulum> I agree on standardising formats

  <akgraner> so jpeg, png, what else?

  <elky> just those i'd say

  <elky> gif is way too lossy

  <pleia2> yeah

  <akgraner> [IDEA] - list photo format for pics, simplify waiver, and get corrections up on wiki

• <pleia2> sounds like a plan

  <akgraner> [ACTION] announce competition on Friday, April 9th

• <elky> everyone get your blogging boots on

  <akgraner> sound ok to everyone?

  <pleia2> w00t

  <elky> akgraner, it's taken way longer than i'd hoped, so yeah.

  <pleia2> and I'll make sure it gets on fridge once it's announced

  <elky> and someone tell mark about it /before/ it's over this time, plzkthx

  <akgraner> [TOPIC] - Reminder - next meeting April 22, 2010 at 2200UTC

- Reminder - next meeting April 22, 2010 at 2200UTC

• <czajkowski> akgraner: can I ask once again that the meeting is added to the fridge calender please

  <akgraner> czajkowski, yep

  <czajkowski> I've asked for the last 2 times just makes it easier to schedule other things

  <akgraner> [ACTION] - add UW Meeting to Fridge Calendar - akgreaner

• <pleia2> anyone can add to the fridge calendar, I guess we just need to get someone to keep on top of that

  <akgraner> czajkowski, sorry about that if you don't see it on there can you email -news-team

  <pleia2> I can probably do that when I add to the UW cal

  <elky> the UW cal can't syndicate in to it?

  <czajkowski> akgraner: when I create a meeting I automatically just add it to google cal adn invite the guest as per the instructions like it says to do

  <akgraner> pleia2, I have access to - so let's remind one another

  <pleia2> akgraner: ok

  <pleia2> elky: not sure

  <akgraner> czajkowski, thanks

  <pleia2> anyway, back to bed for me

  <akgraner> ok anything else

  <akgraner> if not thank you everybody!!

  <akgraner> great meeting...

  <czajkowski> also were there more at this meeting than the later meeting time ? anyone know

  <czajkowski> and who's attending UDS ?

  <akgraner> I will know in a little while

  <akgraner> czajkowski, I belive you, me, pleia2, and Pendulum

  <czajkowski> cool

  <akgraner> did I miss anyone?

• svaksha

  <akgraner> svaksha, will you be at UDS?

  <czajkowski> svaksha: you're going ?

  <svaksha> no

  <akgraner>

  <svaksha> i thought you were asking about meeting times

  <czajkowski> ah when you said *me* I assumed you meant

  <akgraner> ok going going going

  <akgraner> #endmeeting

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Meeting closed at 13:09

People Present

• akgraner
• svaksha
• pleia2

• IdleOne

• Mamarok
• elky
• czajkowski
• Pendulum

Apologies

• Flavia Weisghizzi
• Alejandra Ruis

Actions Recorded

• - pleia2 to clean up wiki translation pages per dpm's suggestions
• announce competition on Friday, April 9th
• - add UW Meeting to Fridge Calendar - akgraner

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