Ubuntu Women Project April 22, 2010 - 2200 UTC IRC Ubuntu Colored Log View
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| akgraner | #startmeeting | 23:01 |
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| Mootbot-UK | Meeting started at 22:01. The chair is akgraner. | 23:01 |
| Mootbot-UK | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 23:01 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] - Attendance - Ok folks, who's here for the Ubuntu Women Project Meeting today? | 23:01 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: - Attendance - Ok folks, who's here for the Ubuntu Women Project Meeting today? | 23:01 |
| pleia2 | me | 23:01 |
| akk | me | 23:01 |
| IdleOne | here o/ | 23:02 |
| akgraner | anyone else? | 23:02 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] - Agenda - The agenda for today's meeting can be found at - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/April2010/Agenda | 23:02 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: - Agenda - The agenda for today's meeting can be found at - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/April2010/Agenda | 23:02 |
| akgraner | [PROGRESS REPORT] Open Items - UDS action items/blueprint (akgraner) | 23:02 |
| Mootbot-UK | Progress Report: Open Items - UDS action items/blueprint (akgraner) | 23:02 |
| tinym | me | 23:03 |
| akgraner | I haven't added anything to the Blueprint but I created it and will get something to the list by Tuesday of next week so the team the items in Blueprint format | 23:03 |
| akgraner | [ACTION] - akgraner to send updated blueprints to list on or before April 27th. | 23:04 |
| Mootbot-UK | ACTION received: - akgraner to send updated blueprints to list on or before April 27th. | 23:04 |
| akgraner | [PROGRESS REPORT] Open Items - Wiki Translations (akgraner) | 23:04 |
| Mootbot-UK | Progress Report: Open Items - Wiki Translations (akgraner) | 23:04 |
| akgraner | I asked IdleOne to give and update on the translations | 23:05 |
| akgraner | IdleOne, take it away | 23:05 |
| IdleOne | ok | 23:05 |
| IdleOne | So first off thanks to everybody who has been doing translation and to akgraner, pleia2 and everyone else who are helping on the organising front | 23:05 |
| IdleOne | I did a quick and dirty stats gathering here it is | 23:06 |
| IdleOne | Number of languages that are started according to http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/PagesNeedingTranslated is 4, considering the short amount of time (1month or so) and the sort of hap hazard way we started I think that is awesome :) | 23:06 |
| IdleOne | Number of translators that have signed up according to http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Translators is 11 but on the French team we have had 3-5 contributors who have not signed http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Translators not sure about other languages and how many contributors they have had. | 23:06 |
| IdleOne | we could use someone to try and gather up some more concrete info | 23:07 |
| akgraner | any objection to organizing the translator page in order of languages listed on the translation table? | 23:07 |
| IdleOne | fine with me | 23:08 |
| akgraner | I just thought it would be nice for them to complement each other | 23:08 |
| akgraner | any volunteers? | 23:08 |
| IdleOne | would be good yes | 23:08 |
| * IdleOne hides | 23:09 | |
| pleia2 | just reordering the page? that'll take about 60 seconds :) I can do it | 23:09 |
| akgraner | [ACTION] - Organize Translator page to complement Translation Table - pleia2 | 23:09 |
| Mootbot-UK | ACTION received: - Organize Translator page to complement Translation Table - pleia2 | 23:09 |
| akgraner | Thanks pleia2 | 23:09 |
| IdleOne | thank you pleia2 | 23:09 |
| IdleOne | and last but not least would be useful to send an email to the LoCo teams ML and try to get more people working on more languages. | 23:10 |
| akgraner | I can do that unless someone else wants to volunteer | 23:10 |
| pleia2 | IdleOne: are you satisfied with the current translations process enough to accept an influx of volunteers from the wider community? | 23:10 |
| IdleOne | I think it's great that we got 4 languages started but for example the Es translation only has the main page done and half way at that | 23:10 |
| pleia2 | I'd hate to end up with a pile of pages which are poorly translated because we don't have any kind of proper review process | 23:11 |
| IdleOne | pleia2: I think that each language could use a "leader" to keep track of everything | 23:11 |
| pleia2 | IdleOne: maybe that's something we need to document on /Translators before sending an email to the loco-contacts list? | 23:11 |
| IdleOne | I volunteered for french and have been trying to make sure everything is kosher | 23:11 |
| IdleOne | pleia2: that sounds like a plan | 23:12 |
| IdleOne | I think figuring out a process to assign the right person per language is needed | 23:12 |
| akgraner | [ACTION] Identify review process and update Translators page | 23:12 |
| Mootbot-UK | ACTION received: Identify review process and update Translators page | 23:12 |
| akgraner | I'll ask dpm if he has any suggestions | 23:13 |
| pleia2 | thanks akgraner | 23:13 |
| IdleOne | thank you | 23:13 |
| akgraner | [ACTION] ask dpm for suggestions on review process | 23:13 |
| Mootbot-UK | ACTION received: ask dpm for suggestions on review process | 23:13 |
| IdleOne | I have to go for a little, dinner in the oven. Be back in a bit | 23:13 |
| akgraner | k thanks for the update | 23:14 |
| IdleOne | sure thing | 23:14 |
| * valorie is late to the meeting | 23:14 | |
| akgraner | valorie, welcome | 23:14 |
| pleia2 | welcome valorie | 23:14 |
| akgraner | great work on translations in just a few short weeks - this is great!! | 23:14 |
| akgraner | thanks everyone working on those | 23:14 |
| akgraner | [PROGRESS REPORT] Open Items - World Play Day announcement (akgraner) | 23:15 |
| valorie | it's been great to see the enthusiasm in IRC | 23:15 |
| Mootbot-UK | Progress Report: Open Items - World Play Day announcement (akgraner) | 23:15 |
| akgraner | so we are starting to have entries | 23:15 |
| valorie | are they good? | 23:16 |
| akgraner | about 4 people but those 4 have sent in multiple entries | 23:16 |
| akgraner | yes there are some great pictures but but we need to stir up some more entries | 23:16 |
| pleia2 | I'll blog about it a bit later, we've sorta saturated the community at this point | 23:17 |
| pleia2 | fridge, planet, omgubuntu | 23:17 |
| * valorie needs to blog also | 23:17 | |
| akgraner | I'll email the LoCo-contacts list as well | 23:17 |
| pleia2 | later == in a couple weeks | 23:17 |
| akgraner | [ACTION] - pleia2, valorie to blog about world play day | 23:17 |
| Mootbot-UK | ACTION received: - pleia2, valorie to blog about world play day | 23:17 |
| akgraner | [ACTION] akgraner to email loco-contacts list about world play day | 23:18 |
| Mootbot-UK | ACTION received: akgraner to email loco-contacts list about world play day | 23:18 |
| akgraner | make sure you tell your friends, family, etc who use Ubuntu about it as well | 23:18 |
| akgraner | you know friends of friends of friends :-) | 23:19 |
| akgraner | but it's good to see entries coming in though :-) | 23:19 |
| valorie | my problem is that very few of my friends use ubuntu | 23:19 |
| valorie | or even linux | 23:19 |
| akgraner | I think we are all in that boat as well | 23:19 |
| akgraner | ok so moving on - unless anyone has anything else about the competition | 23:20 |
| akgraner | [PROGRESS REPORT] Open Items - Website/Blog (akgraner) | 23:20 |
| Mootbot-UK | Progress Report: Open Items - Website/Blog (akgraner) | 23:20 |
| akgraner | I asked pleia2 to update the team on this item | 23:21 |
| akgraner | pleia2, take it away | 23:21 |
| pleia2 | right, so on list there was pretty much consensus that we'd ask canonical for hosting | 23:22 |
| pleia2 | since that discussion, there was a post to the news-team list indicating that canonical may be moving away from drupal and to wordpress - wordpress *would* be the preferred thing for this since it's blogging software and we'd have a blog | 23:22 |
| pleia2 | oh - I am talking about the blog first (website is separate) | 23:22 |
| pleia2 | so our options: | 23:23 |
| pleia2 | 1) Wait for Canonical to officially support wordpress and hop on that when it happens (I can submit and RT ticket now to ask about timing etc) | 23:23 |
| pleia2 | 2) Move ahead a wordpress.com blog for now, and migrate to canonical's servers when they offer wordpress | 23:23 |
| akgraner | pleia2, great! I was going to ask if you would submit the ticker | 23:24 |
| akgraner | ticket even | 23:24 |
| pleia2 | a) we can either get a free account being ubuntu-women.wordpress or | 23:24 |
| pleia2 | b) toss in a few bucks to get a paid account so we can ask canonical to point blog.ubuntu-women.org at it for now | 23:24 |
| pleia2 | I don't mind paying for it, apparently it's a pretty cheap yearly price, and hopefully we won't need it for more than a few months :) | 23:25 |
| akgraner | pleia2, I don't mind chipping in for the paid account - then having the point to it | 23:25 |
| akgraner | them (Canonical) point to it - just so we can get started | 23:25 |
| tinym | the paid WP account sounds like a good idea | 23:25 |
| pleia2 | the nice thing about wordpress.com is that we can give lots of different people access to posting to it :) | 23:26 |
| pleia2 | that's what ubuntu classroom does: http://ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com/ | 23:26 |
| akgraner | yeah - I like wordpress and the learning curve is not that high | 23:26 |
| pleia2 | so, want me to submit a ticket and see about time frame? then if it's going to be 2+ months from now go with wordpress.com ? | 23:27 |
| akgraner | [ACTION] pleia2 to handle RT ticket(s) for Blog and Website | 23:27 |
| Mootbot-UK | ACTION received: pleia2 to handle RT ticket(s) for Blog and Website | 23:27 |
| pleia2 | website is a different topic :) | 23:27 |
| akgraner | pleia2, +1 | 23:27 |
| pleia2 | so, the blog is a lovely news thing, but then we have our static website which we're planning on tackling in the -M cycle | 23:28 |
| akgraner | pleia2, yeah I know but if you are submitting and RT Ticket for one - I thought you wouldn't mind doing it for both :-) | 23:28 |
| pleia2 | akgraner: we don't have an action item for the website yet | 23:28 |
| pleia2 | do we? | 23:28 |
| pleia2 | we need more folks given access, but I don't know who and we have no plans yet | 23:28 |
| akgraner | yeah I lumped them together as website/blog | 23:28 |
| akgraner | but can put in another topic as website in a sec - so we can get it straight on the logs | 23:29 |
| pleia2 | ok | 23:29 |
| akgraner | so Blog wise - pleia2 to handle RT ticket, if it's +2 months to get it hosted on Canonical site then we go to the pay for wordpress then have Canonical point to it | 23:30 |
| pleia2 | I'll confirm with the list about the 2+ month number once I hear back | 23:30 |
| akgraner | [ACTION] pleia2 to handle RT ticket, if it's +2 months to get it hosted on Canonical site then we go to the pay for wordpress then have Canonical point to it - pleia2 will confirm with list on timeline before moving forward with pay-for account | 23:31 |
| Mootbot-UK | ACTION received: pleia2 to handle RT ticket, if it's +2 months to get it hosted on Canonical site then we go to the pay for wordpress then have Canonical point to it - pleia2 will confirm with list on timeline before moving forward with pay-for account | 23:31 |
| akgraner | Thanks pleia2!! | 23:32 |
| pleia2 | sure thing | 23:32 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] - Open Items - Website | 23:32 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: - Open Items - Website | 23:32 |
| akgraner | this is one of our goals for the -M cycle and will be listed on the Blueprint | 23:33 |
| akgraner | pleia2, can you talk about this as well please :-) | 23:33 |
| pleia2 | right, so as I mentioned we have our static website | 23:34 |
| pleia2 | my vision for this is a simplified "About" page with links to our resources | 23:34 |
| akgraner | I like that idea | 23:34 |
| pleia2 | everything except for the index.html will be moved to the wiki | 23:34 |
| valorie | basically a landing for the project? | 23:34 |
| tinym | that would be helpful | 23:35 |
| pleia2 | so faq.html, getinv.html etc | 23:35 |
| akgraner | and just update the look with new fonts and colors etc | 23:35 |
| pleia2 | all move to the wiki | 23:35 |
| pleia2 | yeah, and have it be a *pretty* landing page :) | 23:35 |
| valorie | that sounds sensible | 23:35 |
| akk | Yes, good idea. | 23:35 |
| tinym | pretty is good | 23:35 |
| akk | Pretty and organized. | 23:35 |
| akgraner | I love the fact that I know I can go to the static page and get any info I need in like 3 clicks or less | 23:35 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 23:36 |
| pleia2 | but right now it's a pain to update since only a few people can and we have to edit the html directly | 23:36 |
| pleia2 | so I'd like to see that done away with | 23:36 |
| akgraner | so if Canonical moves to Wordpress - will we use that as well? | 23:36 |
| pleia2 | akgraner: we'll keep this as a single static page | 23:36 |
| pleia2 | and set up blog.ubuntu-women.org separately | 23:37 |
| akgraner | ahh gotcha - sorry - not thinking | 23:37 |
| pleia2 | so canonical will host: www.ubuntu-women.org, blog.ubuntu-women.org, wiki.ubuntu.com | 23:37 |
| pleia2 | err wiki.ubuntu-women.org | 23:37 |
| akgraner | *nods* | 23:37 |
| pleia2 | that's pretty much all I've got, no team to implement this yet or anything, I can toss together a wiki page or something to get some thoughts together and start planning | 23:38 |
| akgraner | sounds like we have a plan then | 23:38 |
| pleia2 | so we'll have it for UDS and beyond | 23:38 |
| pleia2 | and to link to the blueprint :) | 23:38 |
| akgraner | pleia2, yeah lets add that to the roadmap wiki that will be linked to the blueprints | 23:39 |
| akgraner | so we'll link the website wiki to the roadmap wiki and link that to the blueprint | 23:39 |
| akgraner | make sense? | 23:39 |
| valorie | ah, the circle of Life | 23:40 |
| valorie | :-) | 23:40 |
| akgraner | yeppers :-) | 23:40 |
| pleia2 | sounds good | 23:40 |
| tinym | does this discussion include content for the website or only general items - hosting, navigation...? | 23:41 |
| tinym | I have a content suggestions | 23:41 |
| akgraner | [ACTION] pleia2, akgraner to update wikis for -M blueprints | 23:41 |
| Mootbot-UK | ACTION received: pleia2, akgraner to update wikis for -M blueprints | 23:41 |
| pleia2 | tinym: we're just getting started, I think content discussions will have to happen later | 23:41 |
| pleia2 | the idea is that most of the content will end up on the wiki | 23:42 |
| valorie | it's really mostly there already | 23:42 |
| akgraner | the static page will be just the links to the wikis | 23:42 |
| pleia2 | so the landing page will just be a quick intro and we'll link to resources on the wiki that anyone in the project can edit/add to | 23:42 |
| akgraner | with an updated "about" if I am understanding correctly | 23:42 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 23:42 |
| pleia2 | our "about" is decent but it's a little out-dated now (especially since we now track real %s within the community) | 23:43 |
| akgraner | yep | 23:43 |
| akgraner | anything else about website | 23:43 |
| pleia2 | tinym: we can certainly use help and input once we're at that stage though :) are you on the mailing list? | 23:43 |
| tinym | I am on the mailing list | 23:44 |
| pleia2 | ok, great | 23:44 |
| pleia2 | akgraner: all done | 23:44 |
| akgraner | Thanks pleia2!! | 23:44 |
| akgraner | now for new items | 23:45 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] New Items - Discuss Procedures - For Mailing List Admins, Forum Moderators, IRC OPS, and various other micro-blogging and groups that have been created (FB, Identi.ca, twitter, status.net, LinkedIn). | 23:45 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: New Items - Discuss Procedures - For Mailing List Admins, Forum Moderators, IRC OPS, and various other micro-blogging and groups that have been created (FB, Identi.ca, twitter, status.net, LinkedIn). | 23:45 |
| akgraner | he next group of leaders will hold the position for one year. There are no documented procedures for if the leaders will be automatically given ML Admin, Forum Moderator and IRC ops. There is also no documentation on how other team members become Admins, Moderators or Ops. This agenda item is to begin the discussion so that these procedures can be documented before the call for elections begins in late May. | 23:45 |
| akgraner | he next group of leaders will hold the position for one year. There are no documented procedures for if the leaders will be automatically given ML Admin, Forum Moderator and IRC ops. There is also no documentation on how other team members become Admins, Moderators or Ops. This agenda item is to begin the discussion so that these procedures can be documented before the call for elections begins in late May. | 23:45 |
| akgraner | s/he/The | 23:46 |
| akgraner | darn it it wasn't supposed to paste twice | 23:47 |
| akgraner | grrrr | 23:47 |
| akgraner | Also I have seen this happen with other teams whose members set up various micro-blogging groups and only one person has access. Which is fine and dandy until something unforeseen happens and/or the person is no longer participating for various reasons and no one has access. Do we as a team want or need to create an admin pw protected area that leaders have access to should the need arise and those who created various other sites | 23:47 |
| akgraner | for the group aren't available? Thoughts Ideas? | 23:47 |
| pleia2 | I don't have any solid ideas, but I agree with the folks on the list who think there *should* be such procedures in place to some degree | 23:47 |
| pleia2 | I think that's a reasonable solution | 23:48 |
| akgraner | My vision for this would be - the leaders have access when it is needed - but only when absolutely necessary | 23:48 |
| akgraner | and that we have team members who will handle it on a daily basis | 23:49 |
| akk | It does sound reasonable. You definitely want >1 person to be able to get the passwords. | 23:49 |
| valorie | known procedures would be a good thing | 23:49 |
| pleia2 | so this could be done for mailing list and IRC (although I think leaders should just be added to the access list) | 23:49 |
| pleia2 | the tricky things: | 23:49 |
| pleia2 | 1) forums - you have to send a request to forum staff for moderator changes | 23:49 |
| pleia2 | there isn't really a single "log in" that can be used | 23:49 |
| akgraner | but I think it is important for the leader(s) to have access and know what to do when if they need to at some point in the future | 23:50 |
| akgraner | pleia2, sorry I didn't mean single log in per say - only an area where the pw are stored | 23:50 |
| pleia2 | there isn't a pw | 23:50 |
| akgraner | or a gatekeeper appointed | 23:50 |
| akgraner | pleia2, I know for forums | 23:50 |
| akk | Related (I hope this isn't seen as a digression): it's helpful to have a page detailing who has access to what. | 23:50 |
| * pleia2 nods | 23:50 | |
| pleia2 | akgraner: I am talking about the non-trivial resources :) | 23:51 |
| akgraner | ahh :-) | 23:51 |
| akk | Most of the time (IME), the leader doesn't necessarily want the password, but does need to be able to find out who else has access if the regular person isn't answering. | 23:51 |
| pleia2 | akk: there is a page on the wiki for that, lets see.. | 23:51 |
| valorie | personally, I don't think The Leader should be an op, admin, etc normally | 23:52 |
| valorie | those are specialized tasks | 23:52 |
| akgraner | So not sure I have any great solutions but would like to see some procedures surrounding all that stuff - so if a member says I would like to do FOO - there is *something* documented that says how to become whatever | 23:52 |
| valorie | agreed | 23:53 |
| akk | I don't see a problem with a leader who is also an op, if they want to be. | 23:53 |
| akgraner | valorie, right but I think the leader(s) should know how, and if/when necessary be able to step up and do it | 23:53 |
| valorie | right, but an op as the PERSON | 23:53 |
| pleia2 | akk: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Contacts | 23:53 |
| valorie | not as The Leader | 23:53 |
| valorie | right, akgraner -- since people sometimes disappear | 23:53 |
| akk | Agreed, they can choose to be a regular op but not a special-super-duper-op | 23:54 |
| akk | pleia2: Thanks, excellent page! | 23:54 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 23:54 |
| akgraner | valorie, right not as "I am leader" but as no one else is around and they can step in and help | 23:54 |
| valorie | right | 23:54 |
| akgraner | and it also gives the leader(s) access to stats, and other stuff | 23:54 |
| valorie | and those positions are all leadership positions, there is power | 23:54 |
| valorie | but it should always be exercised for the good of the members | 23:55 |
| akgraner | valorie, right - I don't think any disagrees with that | 23:55 |
| akgraner | I was thinking that when the next leaders are elected they should have at a min access to mailing list, forum mod and ops | 23:56 |
| akk | I don't think most of us are here because we're all power mad. :) | 23:56 |
| akgraner | and learn how to do all those things if they don't already | 23:56 |
| akgraner | this allows them to learn more about leading in various areas | 23:56 |
| pleia2 | for IRC we could create a leaders nickname account that can be shared, but the forums are a problem | 23:56 |
| akgraner | problem solving | 23:56 |
| akgraner | etc | 23:56 |
| pleia2 | unless there is a shared forums account, I suppose | 23:56 |
| akgraner | pleia2, I like that | 23:57 |
| pleia2 | the only thing that really needs to be done on the forums is changing sticky stuff though | 23:57 |
| pleia2 | which not overwhelmingly time-sensitive | 23:57 |
| akgraner | but those leaders defer moderation, admin etc to other team members unless they are needed | 23:57 |
| akgraner | so what should be our next steps? | 23:58 |
| akgraner | let's take this to mailing list? any objections? we are down to 2 mins | 23:58 |
| pleia2 | I'd like to defer and discuss it at our next meeting | 23:59 |
| pleia2 | where the other half of the team can discuss | 23:59 |
| pleia2 | it's been somewhat hashed out on the mailing list already | 23:59 |
| akgraner | ok | 23:59 |
| pleia2 | and this isn't something of vital importance at the moment, more for our future leaders | 00:00 |
| akgraner | pleia2, ye[ | 00:00 |
| akgraner | yep | 00:00 |
| akgraner | so next meeting | 00:00 |
| akgraner | since we will be at UDS then - should we cancel it | 00:00 |
| pleia2 | nah | 00:00 |
| akgraner | [ACTION] - Defer discussion on process til next meeting | 00:01 |
| Mootbot-UK | ACTION received: - Defer discussion on process til next meeting | 00:01 |
| akgraner | [TOPIC] - Next Meeting - May 13, 2010 12OO UTC | 00:01 |
| Mootbot-UK | New Topic: - Next Meeting - May 13, 2010 12OO UTC | 00:01 |
| pleia2 | the % of members who will be at UDS is relatively small, I think it would be somewhat unfair for those who can't attend if we cancel because *we* can't make it :) | 00:02 |
| akgraner | in the event I can't chair is there a volunteer I can contact | 00:02 |
| pleia2 | probably better to ask on list, since the people who can attend at that time probably are sleeping right now | 00:02 |
| akgraner | pleia2, I agree but it was mentioned to me so I was bringing it up :-) | 00:02 |
| akgraner | [ACTION] ask on list for volunteer alternate chair person | 00:03 |
| Mootbot-UK | ACTION received: ask on list for volunteer alternate chair person | 00:03 |
| akgraner | alrighty - great meeting - Thanks again everyone | 00:03 |
| akgraner | anything else before I end the meeting? | 00:03 |
| akgraner | #endmeeting | 00:03 |
| Mootbot-UK | Meeting finished at 23:03. | 00:03 |